Tuesday, June 23, 2009

Gunnah for Sale

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These days are associated with Ahlebait (a.s.) and considered to be very holy months, most of the people prefer to arrange wedding functions during these three months (Jamad us Sani, Rajab & Shaban). Usually this is done because of our close association with Ahlebait (a.s.), we celebrate our happiness when they are happy and when they are in grief we also turn into sadness, although this is a very excellent way to demonstrate our love, respect and association with them but one should understand that when anything, any event or any function is done in their name it obviously means that organizers should take extra care and the gathering should be very pure as it is done in the name of “Lords of Purity”.

BUT

Whenever you feel like your gunnah account has reduced and you are feeling uncomfortable because of that, just don’t worry … Go and attend a wedding function of so called “Moderate Family”, you’ll find a complete gunnah package and those 2-3 hours per function is enough to increase your account. And if the function is of your close relative/friend, then just be prepared for some extra ordinary packages like buy one get many free and special discounts upto 100%.


The story starts with the wedding week when you are invited to join a Mehendi function; as soon as you step out from your home the counter will start or maybe it was started the day when you accepted that invitation and started preparation for it. Hmmmmmmmm, nicely dressed, you reached the invited place, you’ll be greeted with some cool music playing in ultra loud voice and you’ll be seeing some females with proper “western” hijab greeting your ladies, no need to mention that you are in a mix gathering as there was no other choice for organizers cause the mehendi function has to be mix gathering as it is sunnat-e-Iblees.


Your account has start increasing but there is much more to come so remain excited, now you have two choices (don’t worry both of them will earn you equal gunnah), either participate in the “Dhoolki and/or Dandiya” performed by girls and boys or remain seated and enjoy the show. Young children must be enjoying the dance and remember DO NOT scold them when they repeat this action at home with their siblings and cousins because you are the one to encourage and develop this notion in them. For most of the children this won’t be a new thing as STAR PLUS has already taught them all these gestures.


And now comes the most disgraceful part of the ceremony, music is on its peak and family members are going to perform Imam Zamin ceremony, with the voice of “Salwat” which will ofcourse muddle up with the music sound, the groom wears Imam Zamin of “YA ALI” and bride wears of “YA FATIMA” and with that Imam Zamin tied on the hand, groom starts shaking hands and taking “Musafa” with Na-Mehram women like Chachi, Bhabbi, Sali etc. etc., still with the “YA ALI” Imam Zamin on the arm, bride’s sisters and cousins do the “ANGHOTA PAKRAI” rasm. This is when girls from bride’s side hold the thumb of groom and demand for certain gift, I am not against the tradition but holding hands without any barrier is what makes it haram.

Do I need to mention that you can easily convert this gunnah into “Gunnah-e-Jaria” by just letting the movie maker to shoot your uncovered head in his camera? You can easily earn gunnah for many years in this way, as the movie will be circulated around the community very regularly. In some cases ultra moderate family will upload it on youtube or some other website of this kind letting the whole world to enjoy the ceremony and without your permission you’ll be seen without hijab by many Na-Mehrams.

When there are thousands of people hungry and living in worst conditions, and majority of them can be found in our own country, it is a mandatory tradition to waste huge amount of food when you know that Allah gave you the meal before this meal and you’ll surely take proper meal after this one then too who cares, one person will collect food for two people and will waste it without a single thought. People use to behave like if this is the first and the last meal in their life time.

Anyways much more can be highlighted on this issue but you can imagine how rich you are at the end of these functions.


Why? Why are we like this, when each of us know that this is not correct then too we do same every time. Why we don’t have courage to reject invitations for such functions where we are dam sure that it will be full of unlawful things? Why don’t we discourage these traditions?

Just because we don’t want the relative/friend to feel bad if we reject the invitation, then what about Allah and Ahlebait (a.s.)? Are the friends superior to Ahlebait (a.s.) that we are giving preference to their displeasure on Ahlebait’s (a.s) displeasure?


I admit that I am also same as all others but I want to change, are you ready to change?

Ask yourself!

93 comments:

  1. I agree ... hum gunah bhi kerte hain aur ehsas bhi nahi kerte, shame on us

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  2. Again a nice article, man u r doing a good job. Keep it up :)

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  3. Well done for trying to wake up the community people !! i hope it works..!

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  4. Mashallah bohaat achi baat ke taraf tawju dillaee hai. I hope app ke baat ka kuch asar hoo khojoon per.

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  5. Liked your moniker (Twelver Khojas)....Keep it up.

    M.M.Jaffer

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  6. I wanna add one more thing to this blog, besides wasting food in some weddings there are 7-8 dishes and ppl spend millions on a single function. Is it really necessary? Why cant we have a simple function not too low level and not on veryyyyyyyyy high level

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  7. Agreed! We call ourself Shia-e-Ali but do not show any of his qualities in our character. Surely we are answerable for our deeds to Allah (s.w.t.) and Masoomeen (a.s.)

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  8. We like to go with the flow & I think culture plays a role here!

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  9. Well Said...........
    Keep it up:)
    All the best and good luck:)

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  10. This is to do with our ancestoral traditions.(hinduism).Especially when we have our living elders{ Allah give them longer life & taufiq} The old ladies in traditional dupattas & and long dresses, (of course respectful ) will not agree without these traditions. To explain them the logic is not easy. Thus it is the youths who should take the responsibilty of convincing the family (especially the middle aged ladies)to do away with this gunnah enriched tradition.

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  11. Very well said. Indeed an eye opener blog. Thumbs up.

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  12. I am twelver Shia. It is very sad to see this article. It is even sadder to see the comments to this blog. But it is no wonder that the mindset and the mentatliy of the community is in decline. When the maulanas and the leaders of the community have no vision, what hope it there for the community. Wahabbis also call themselves as the ones practicing pure Islam. Look no further than Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan. I see no difference in the recent rise of fanatical ideas in Shia Khoja community. More than Pakistan, we identify ourselves with Iran. The revolution that is being challenged by partners of Ayatollah Khomeni such as Ayatollah Montazeri etc is revered blindly in our own community here. Rather than raising credible maulanas from our own society who know our own problems and issues, we end up importing Indian maulanas who live in a socity even more backward than our own, with vision more narrow than our own. May Allah give you guidance to know the spirit of Islam and provide you the opportunity to live this life fully rather than as if in a prison (as quoted by our maulanas countless times). It is shocking to hear such rejection of the masterpiece of Allah, this world, whose blessings are to be enjoyed and rejoiced. But we are too busy in finiding the bad in everything to be able to look at the good in anything. We are a society stuck in personalities, rather than the spirit of Islam, just like the Sunnis have been for centuries.

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  13. Dear Anonymous,

    I read your comment twice but cannot derive any conclusion. I am not able to understand that you are opposing the article or opposing traditions of Khoja society in whole.

    Only thing I understood from your comment is that in your opinion “such traditions are normal in society and need no restrictions as we should not be so narrow minded. Allah has given us blessings and we should enjoy every bit of it.”

    Did I translated your view point correctly? If yes than I think we should be careful about limits. Islam allows us enjoyment, social interaction etc. but it should be within Islamic boundaries. To summarize following points were mentioned in this blog.

    1. Behijabi should not be promoted
    2. Music is absolute haram in any case
    3. Wastage of food is haram
    4. Cultural traditions are not a problem nor Islam is prohibiting it but it should not break any Islamic law.

    That’s it, this blog is just focused on these four points. Anything illogical in it?

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  14. Everything with this article is wrong. In the guise and pretense of being logical, we end up using illogical reasoning. We pride ourselves in calling Islam a logical religion. But rather than ponder upon its articles logically, our premise is that our understanding of Islam is logical and thus logic is dictated by our version of Islam.

    To begin with, the style of this article is mocking. the writer (and preachers of shia religion) should avoid mocking other sects and beliefs.

    The writer mocks "Moderate families". In my opinion, the writer is an extremist. No quotes required.

    Hijab - Read Falsafa-e-Hijab by Allama Muttahari. Then conclude what hijab is. Then compare it to the hijab being practiced in our society. Then discuss the hijab being preached in women majalis with your mothers and sisters. Talk to your young sisters who go to our community madressah. Their core is being rotted. In the name of Islam, we are breeding our own version of extremists.

    Cultural traditions should not break islamic law? Which islamic law? Our maulanas commit/teach/promote shirk from mimbar in muharram, ruining our future generations, convoluting their thoughts, destroying their ideas, distorting their perspectives, worst of all, pitting them against other sects, leaving them with no proofs or justifications rather than their own corrupt justifications and so called reasoning. Reference is to Maulana Kalb-e-Sadiq at Khorasan claiming Ali to be god in an albiet concealed way.

    Do note, I have travelled across Europe, Middle East, Far East and US. It is in Pakistan, that I am most disgusted by the Islam practiced.

    This year around I was in Karachi to witness the election campaign. I was shocked to see how the campaigning was done. I rejoice my last day sitting next to Altaf Bhojani in Kharadar masjid for Juma parayers, a day before he was gunned down. Whatever he was, I had respect for him. For today's leadership, I have nothing but contempt. The kind of people who ran but did not win for the election campaign showed the moral requirements for such a position today. If not today, maybe tomorrow they can raise an emotional and scentimental slogan, call upon populist ideas being drilled into our children's head and sit atop where they can continue their corrupt practices. Being a Shia or a Khoja does not make them free of evils automatically. They live in the same society where every single person is corrupt in one sense or the other.

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  15. I dont find anything illogical with this blog, writer has clearly focused on few points which are problem in our society these days. If someone want to make mess of if then no one can stop and the last few anonymous comments are simply hilarious whatever the person mentioned in the comments, I can’t find a single thing in the article. For example the person mentioned that writer made fun of other sect, where in this article any thing is mentioned or related to any sect?

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  16. Agreed, no issues with the article, issue is with the individuals understanding.

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  17. Mr. Anonymous,

    Could you please justify your allegation on Dr. Kalb-e-Sadiq about claming Imam Ali (a.s.) as God, kindly provide reference of that Majlis so I can also download and listen to it.

    Thanks.

    Murtaza

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  18. 1. Dandiya ceremonies are special to Agha Khani community. Other communities have adopted the ceremony lately into their own.

    2. Send me a link where majalis are hosted online for the past muharram and I will be glad to point out the majlis and the exact time in the majlis for your convinience where he utters objectionable words.

    3. If most of you agreed with my ideas, I would not have had to contribute to this article in comments section :-) I don't expect you all to follow in line with my opinions specially after what you have had to believe as sacred for the most part of your life.

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  19. nothing wrong with the blog ...

    the writer writes: ... "Whenever you feel like your gunnah account has reduced and you are feeling uncomfortable because of that, just don’t worry" ... what kind of a sad low life person is he addressing?

    just because the internet enables one to write a blog today to share his/her ideas, it does not mean you write in such lose manner, specially matters of religion.

    moreover, who is he to pass a judgement on moderate families, my friends and my relative when he writes "And if the function is of your close relative/friend, then just be prepared for some extra ordinary packages like buy one get many free and special discounts upto 100%."

    The writer has blaster almost all the wedding ceremonies across various sects blatantly in the name of religious "purity".

    The writer further mocks particular kinds of hijab, with quotations around western hijab, thus once again passing judgement on hijab. he further accuses all mix gatherings to be sunnat-e-ibless, which is a funny word to say the least. there are schools, work places, shopping malls, public transportation out there that are mix for God's sake.

    The writer ends up glorifying Star Plus for having an affect on our children. Why have we (Muslims, not just Shia) not been able to come up with a media outlet to have a positive influence on our children? Why are we unable to attract them to what is "pure" and "righteous". Why do our kids prefer Star Plus over other ridiculous Islamic channels ?

    Kindly with all due respect stop being ridiculous. Be practical Muslims. Excel in this world. Stop preaching backward ideas to our generations. Stop pointing fingers at others to prove your own righteousness. For many in out society/community/religion, that is the only way of showing their dedication to Islam, sadly.

    Thats half the article. I have run out of time. More later maybe, if I see entertaining comments.

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  20. You can www.hussainiat.com for Dr. Kalb-e-Sadiq's majalis, I'll wait for your reply on that specific majlis.

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  21. Dear Brother,

    Thanks for sharing your views, can I ask you few basic questions just to get more clear picture.

    1. Do you agree that mix gathering which is without proper Islamic hijab is not good and is a gunah, it means in any circumstances if it is to do with wedding functions, religious functions, co-education, work place (there is a fatwa regarding work place)?

    2. Music is haram in any case?

    3. You are not allowed to waste food/water without any good reason?

    4. Proper Islamic laws (definition of proper does not means Mulla’s definition, it means proper laws according to Mujtahid derived from Masoomeen) should not be compromised for the sake of tradition?

    I will expect some brief reply from your end and further on we can discuss on each separately.

    Thanks

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  22. Q1: Do you agree that mix gathering which is without proper Islamic hijab is not good and is a gunah, it means in any circumstances if it is to do with wedding functions, religious functions, co-education, work place (there is a fatwa regarding work place)?

    A1: No! Mix gathering is not gunnah in itself. On the other hand, attending all social gatherings without hijab is a gunnah. It is upon the person him/herself while attending the gathering to observe hijab (It is another discussion as to what hijab is). Not everyone is Muslim and not everyone is Shia, therefore to live in a homogenous society, I have to participate in all social activities, while ensuring that I am attending all these social gatherings by my religious (in this case Islamic) rules and standards.

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  23. Q2: Music is haram in any case?

    A2: No! Music (or anything for that matter) is haram when it mislead from the Path of Allah. I realize all 4 Sunni fiqh schools as well as most of our (Shia school) maraja say it is haram. Grand Ayatollah Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah already has a fatwa proclaiming music is halal except certain kinds of it. It is very important here to realize that fatwas are being revised over time all the time. Even hadiths are being revised and discarded when found week to this day (1400 years later). Allama Muttahari (partner of Ayatollah Khomeni in revolution) wrote 60 years ago (30 years before the revolution itself) that when people (including maraja) travel, their outlook of life and world changes, which has an impact on their religious rulings (fatwas). He noted there was an Ayatollah who performed Hajj. Upon his return, he revised many of his fatwas after experiencing the challenges faced in Hajj today first hand. He further notes that shaikh sadi and hafiz shirazi both were fantastic poets of Iran, but one had travelled all over the world, whereas the other had never left Iran; and one can observe the difference of outlook in their poetry. It is one of my biggest grievances that our maraja do not travel overseas. Imam Khamenai did when he was the president, but never since. Furthermore, there are sufi singers who find closeness to God through singing, they utter His name (tasbeeh) in their songs. How can something which is for God be wrong ? Yes, I agree, when music (or anything else for that matter) misleads from the Path of Allah, it may be termed as Haram. It would also be acceptable to human intellect to term music with foul language haram (as is certain rap music). But generalizing it would be a catastrophic mistake. To stress my point further, Music is a form of media. It can be used for good and it can be used for bad. It by itself, however, is inert and has no natural bias. I would ask my respected brothers and sisters to view the following movie. It is a concert in South Lebanon which was relayed by telephone to a group of people in London and the effect was intense. The believers all testified that their faith became stronger and the non-believers became interested in Islam. The dogmatic opinion that music and as such art is haraam and bad for us as Muslims was destroyed.

    you can find it at:

    islamicdigest.net >> Media Gallery >> Firqat al-Isra >> Live Concert Video

    I also ask you to have a listen to the following:

    islamicdigest.net >> Media Gallery >> Firqat al-Isra

    islamicdigest.net >> Media Gallery >> Islamic Nasheed In English

    islamicdigest.net >> Media Gallery >> Islamic Nasheed Various Artists

    The media is a huge opportunity that we as Muslims have chosen to ignore and this is something we will be questioned about when our children move away from Islam because we have made Islam dogmatic and negative whereas the "true" (i know i am adding quotes here) Islam of is dynamic and progressive and liberates humanity as opposed to tying shackles on his/her imagination and cultural tendancies. Islam imposes certain limits without a doubt, however, the amount of space between the limits is vast and has not been explored.

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  24. Q3: You are not allowed to waste food/water without any good reason?

    A3: I doubt if there could be a good reason to waste food/water. To begin with, have you attended a muharram procession/juloos in Pakistan? Have you seen the like of it anywhere else? In Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Indonesia etc ? It is shameful and disgraceful. It is like a mela. Matam, Nauha, all kinds of food and water being served, other people being discomforted all at the same time. It is like some Urs by Sunnis. Have you not seen the amount of food and water wasted? Food is 'thrown' at people. Water is wasted which is being called as so short in the world today (leave along Pakistan), that future wars will possibly be fought over them. Now coming to the wasting of food and water in weddings? Does the wedding family instruct the kitchen to do so? Is it intentional? Is it not because we are a society and nation are dirty? Look around you, our streets and roads. Is it not because we have not invested in adequate facilites to ensure minimum waste of anything in our society? On the flip side of it, do you know that left over food from weddings is donated to charity organizations who come in their vans to collect the food, take it to their storage warehouses and then the next day take it to katchi abadis to feed the poor? Let's not make a 10 word statement as if life was black and white and pretend to be right about everything.

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  25. Q4: Proper Islamic laws should not be compromised for the sake of tradition?

    A4: Such as ? I am not sure what you are referencing here. My apologies. Please clarify so I may respond appropriately. Your question is too simplistic and without context or details.

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  26. i totally agree with You (anonymous...)
    what ever you wrote... is totally correct.

    this mulla log... are misguiding us all the time. making us believe what they want. any ordinary person goes to iran.. take some classes, comes with some junior level degree, wearing abba kaba, changes his name with "hujat-ul-islam..." and starts preaching what they don't even practice.

    i the same feel for our maraja who prefer to be in a room, and is not in reach of people who can't afford to travel to them. even our imam's travel to different place for the betterment of islam.

    one would say that their wakils are there to guide you. but what if the wakil's are culprit or used by some mullas? i would defend my statement with one happening which scattered the community. it was agha khan school system.

    the wakils never went for fatwa cuz they never shown any thing in public which proof it haram, the only thing they did was presenting one wakil in a seminar, saying the jamaat got a fatwa from maraja and he said nopes its not from him. but i was presented in a public in such a manner that people started thinking its haram. later i came to know that the wakil they presented felt he was used but he never came and corrected himself in public.

    when this case was going in karachi for fatmiyah school, the against group were presenting the cases in such a manner that its haram to be educated in aga khan education system by saying maraja has not given anything in favour of it. BUT WAS THERE ANYTHING AGAINST IT??? Maraja's word were being manuplated by this so called hujjat ul islam's. And maraja was quietly sitting in his room.
    i would say that.. either he was not well informed or he loved to be ingnorant. in either case he is guilty in my eyes. As if he would been knowing, it was his responsibility to correct it, and if it was beyond his knowledge, how can he be a leader, whom our actions rely on.

    it was also the mistake of jamaat management, not to contact maraja and inform him the situation.
    and when it was at peak they went to maraja and got some mix fatwa from maraja's spokes person saying "AGA KO ISHQAL HAI". and now according to my knowledge he has given permission to several his muqalid to study in the same board. why this double standard?

    JUST THINK OVER IT!!!

    I don't want to impose my opinions and views on anyone.. just giving my point of view.

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  27. This article was written in context of wedding functions and four points which were raised in the article were related to the same. If we debate on any of four point in general then the debate will stretched a lot so I’ll remain in context of the topic.

    1. Mix Gathering:

    If agree to your point that mix gathering is not gunnah in itself but is it a good practice to arrange wedding functions in mix gathering environment specially when you can easily arrange non mix gathering functions and it would be taken normal by society as many people arrange that way. Also when the organizers are muslims and attendees are also muslim then why to arrange a mix gathering function when you know that ppl will not follow hijab properly. Just to look like modern?

    2. Music:

    Your argument may seem logical but there is no point to debate on a ruling (fatwa) which clearly states that music in any shape or form is harm, no matter Sufism or whatsoever. Here is the link from Ayatullah Sistani’s website regarding questions on music:

    http://sistani.org/local.php?modules=nav&nid=5&cid=526

    Maybe the mujtahid you are following allow music of some form so the best answer to your argument is to follow your specific mujtahid. Furthermore regarding changing of rulings and traveling of mujtahid, it has no impact on current ruling, yes if the fatwa is changed then ofcourse it will be out of haram category.

    3. Wastage:

    Seems we both are on same page on this issue and the point you raised regarding Muharram Juloos and Majalis is very valid, someone has to step up for that too.

    4. Traditions:

    By that I meant that there are few customs which are followed in our weddings, one example is mentioned in article “ANGOTHA PAKRAI”, although it seems there is no problem if a sister in law is holding your hand without a barrier then too Islam does not allow this as sister in law is na-mehram, there are other traditions of similar kind. Hope I made this point clear.

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  28. Mashallah (Anonymous no. 2), just with a little amount of knowledge and that too on one particular issue you started insulting Marja who is next to Imam-e-Zamana (a.t.f.s)
    Both you guys are in perception that Marja is sitting in one room and not travelling around the world means that he is ignorant to all worldly issues and is passing his life in a small canvas. My dear fellows, Ayatullah Sistani is the person who is defending whole political and religious situation of Iraq and Ayatullah Khamenai is leading the whole nation from front. You need to read and research more about following points before providing any comments on these holy people.

    1. Go through the curriculum which they follow during their studies throughout the process.

    You will be amazed to know that they are not only masters in religious field but they are on highest level of logic, philosophy, mathematics, economics, politics etc.

    2. In your opinion Marja should travel around the world and meet with different people to know their issues, read this statement again, does it seems logical in any way? Which Imam visited different continents? Imam Khomeni has given fatwa how to pray on moon and you still think they are backward. Huh

    3. What so ever Jamaat did has nothing to do with Mujtahid, he replied to the question which was asked to him, thus his responsibility is over.

    4. Today when our own ppl are offending mujtahids tomorrow when Imam (a.s.) will come and impose any ruling which is against your nature then will you use same words for Imam?

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  29. Answer to writer,
    First of Holy person to you doesn't mean it applies on every one. i agree they are at the highest level in our religious cast but it doesn't make them holy. as they are not masoomeen. i do respect them from my heart but there are some actions which doesn't justify my thinking. i have seen all leaders of other cast and religions travelling to their people solving their problem guiding them according to there faith. but i have never seen this in our religious leaders.

    1. i don't have anything negative regarding what is the curriculum of marajas.
    i said that about so call hujat ul islams in our society who don't even practice what they preach. and what have they studied is just a juniour degree, which doesn't give them a title of "hujat ul islam..."

    and now as you have mentioned the qualification level of maraja's... let me tell you that i know a guy which says that what ever you want to do, let me know, i will get the fatwa in its favour. so whats a big deal in being at the highest level of logic, philosophy, mathematics, economics, politics, etc etc, when a guy practically illiterate in front him, can dodge him very well that haram becomes halal and vice versa???


    2. i think you need to study history a bit, were all imams lived in madina only?? also that time travelling was an issue, it took months to travel places, but now its hours, can't the maraja's travel to there muqalid and solve their problems when there are confusions for single fatwa.
    Sitting in a room giving fatwa about praying on moon doésn't makes them any forward when majority of people on earth don't have any access to him. HUH !!!

    3. Agree but why the same fatwa is different for others. my friend have a fatwa which allows him to make his child study at aga khan board. Is this again a word game ....?

    4. i am not offending any mujtahid, but yes i do have some questions on their decision and way of living, which in my eyes is not justified. and here you are imposing your thought on my personality that i would oppose imam (as).

    And i have disregards for all the so call "hujat ul islam" who says something and practice something else. tomorrow when Imam (as) will come then first lot who will be killed by imam will be these aba kaba people APNA NUMBER BAAD MEIN AAYEGA!!!

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  30. This is anonymous # 1. I did not, can never, and can not even think of disrespecting the marajas. They study all their life to reach where they are, and I have utmost respect and nothing else for them.

    But I do have "grievance" that they do not travel. Neither prophet nor imams travelled. But then they were either at war, on being poisoned, or in dungeons locked up.

    I would ask everyone to refrain from using anything but utmost respectful words for our marajas. But putting forth our grievances to them should be acceptable. After all, they are our guide and our leaders. Our ultimate guardian. I am also confident the marajas will agree with me on this.

    Furthermore, marajas give a fatwa based on how you present a case to them. If someone presents one side of the case in a certain way, the maraja shall give the fatwas as per that. Thus the discrepancies.

    As I mentioned, this attitude only caused confusion. of running to them for fatwa in every little matter like sunnis.

    I believe Ayatollah Sistani had said if the agha khan board was causing dis-unity in community, then it was not worth it. But he was not responsible for creating dis-unity. It was us who created that.

    Personally I do not have any problem with the agha khan board course work. They have some objectionable stuff, but they also allow that stuff to be taught optionally. Thus our schools can conviniently skip them.

    Finally, I stick by my opinion. Marajas MUST travel. Ayatollah Sistani today has a secondary risala of fatwa called contemporary islamic laws. Why ? Because today Muslims live in non Muslim societes and are faced with new kinds of issues. In times of our prophet and imams, that was not the case.

    Also, marajas are not next to Imam e Zamana. They are imams of us in his gaibat. They are normal human beings and are NOT infallible like our imams. Please do not confuse this in your aqeedat.

    Please also do not say words such as ignorant and maraja in same sentence. It is very disrespectful. No one is suggesting that.

    Ayatollah Khamenei has imprisoned Ayatollah Muntazeri who was in line to succeed Ayatollah Khomeini. Hmm, I wonder why ? Leading from the front ? Ayatollah Khamenei was not even an Ayatollah when he became the Supreme Leader of Iran. His credentials are questionable. Please do YOUR research.

    Ayatollah Sistani is apolitical. He is leading Iraqis in religious and not political matters. He has stepped in reluctantly on a couple of occassions but not otherwise. Ayatollah Sistani disagrees with Ayatollah Khomeini on the concept and idea of Vilayat e Faqih.

    Anyways, dont be emotional. Keep an argument logical and scholarly.

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  31. Please listen the series of 3 majalis by Maulana Syed Mohammad Rizvi on following link and you will get reply to allyour questions:

    http://www.cig.ca/archive_mresults.php

    Safdar Noorani

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  32. Please ignore previous link. Following are the links:

    http://www.cig.ca/arplay.php?archive=1243568476

    http://www.cig.ca/arplay.php?archive=1243478649

    http://www.cig.ca/arplay.php?archive=1243394898

    Safdar Noorani

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  33. Dear brothers,

    The title Hujat ul Islam does not refer a bit to a person’s holiness at all. It just indicates the standard of education he has completed according to the syllabus so we can respect a hujat ul islam for his knowledge and education standards as the title Hujat ul Islam is given to him because of the education which he completed and not because of his deeds. So if any of the person titled as HI is found to be wrongdoer than the blame is on the person and not on the title just like a person who has allotted with a phd title.

    As far as Mujtahid and Ayatullah is concerned “AYATULLAH” means sign of God thus he HAS to be pious and ofcourse they are. Masoom is altogether a different terminology so guys don’t get confused in these terminologies as each has its own status. I do agree that Grand Ayatullahs should travel, meet people and should be self accessible. I would also like to raise a question here regarding vakils, are the vakils audited by Ayatullah?? As witnessed that few vakils whom living standards are so high and obvious source of income is not known and are in allegations of manipulating khums amount, by this I really don’t mean to blame anyone but my simple question is ARE THEY AUDITED?

    On Aga Khan Board issue, the main culprit is the person who took this issue to Ayatullah, do we ask Ayatullah before going to Aga Khan hospital or before sending our children to Oxford and Cambridge or any of the Parsi administration school. That person is responsible for the whole chaos in my opinion and more than a religious factor it seems that it was the ego factor.

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  34. Safdar ... the point of my comments is STOP listening to Maulanas ... use your bleeping brain ! I have interacted with many of Maulanas having studied in Iran and India, and they have been speechless. 'Ilm kisi ki miraas nahin'. Iqra ... !

    Sarah ... agree with you. But some Vakils are corrupt, whereas some are doing an outstanding job. I personally know a few.

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  35. Dear Anonymous,

    You havent proved your allegation on Dr. Kalb-e-Sadiq yet. I am waiting for the link since last 10 days.

    rgds

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  36. 1.Murtuza bhai , would recommend not to get into this topic, as in what context DR.SADIQ might have said what , simple answer is we dont need to know MAULA through MULLA ,
    there are numerous exmaples of who said what stuff.
    example ; was there water available in kerbala ?
    a common answer is no?
    do we really think that it was something which IMAM HUSSAIN a.s would not have made available by any mearest of thought? maazaallah .
    THE MORAL OF IT IS THAT TO HAVE COMMAND AND CONTROL AND STILL NOT UTILISE IT AS THE INTENT WAS A SACRIFICE in rahe quda.
    there has been a numerous debates on the above for years ,
    and the simple answer is ,
    THE NIYAT OF THE THINKER, NOT HIS IJMA .
    khuda hafiz.
    ,

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  37. ASAK,
    MASHALLAH , EQEEDA IMAN KI NISHANI HEIN ,
    RAHTI DUNIYA TAK RAHEGA NAAM E ALI,
    BAAQI SAB TOE FAANI HEIN ,
    UN KO ALIM HUM KAISAE MAAN LAE , JINKAE LIYAE KARBALA BHI EK KAHANI HEIN ,
    HUM QADR KARENGI UNKI JOE YEH KAHEIN YA HUSSAIN KAASH HUM KARBALA MEIN HOTAE ,
    HUMARA QOON TOE PAANI HEIN.

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  38. I was not part of ongoing debate but as a big fan of Dr. Kalb-e-Sadiq when someone made a confident comment about him so I was curious to listen it myself.
    "Reference is to Maulana Kalb-e-Sadiq at Khorasan claiming Ali to be god in an albiet concealed way"
    This was the comment.
    if by chance anyone knows that specific majlis do let me know and if this is proved i'll never listen to Dr.Kalb-e-Sadiq.

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  39. Anonymous No. 2
    Dear Murtaza,
    i don't know about this comment of dr. kalb-e-sadiq, but i recall on thing which in my eyes is not appropriate regarding hazrat ali (as).

    he said in this majlis of 1st or 2nd or 3rd moharram 1430 at mehfil-e-khorasan,
    i don't remeber exact wording but the idea was that
    a person was brought in darbar-e-ali, he was proved to be a theif and as per the law of islam, hands of the theif should be cut. so hazrat ali (as) ordered the punishment, the guy started praising hazrat ali (as). so hazrat ali first cutted his hand then again put it back or joined it. people asked ali (as) why he did this, hazrat ali (as) said that i gave him the punishment by cutting his hand and rejoined it as he praised me.

    if this story is real, i know i can do anything wrong and praise ali all the time. will get punishment and it will go instantly... a perfect way to go in jannat!!! howzat.

    this story also gives me an idea that mankabat-e-ali is more powerful then tauba.

    also this post "Gunnah for Sale" according to the writer is about then cultural practice in wedding or so call modern wedding. what so ever they do, there is always someone who recite hadis-e-kisa or some mankabat in wedding ceremony.
    so praise ali (as) and aliebaith (as) sin remove automatically .. and this topic out of question :P u go home empty handed even when the SALE IS ON !!!

    cheers..

    so dear, i don't think that hazrat ali (as) can set this type of example for the rest of the ummat. there are lots of these type of examples our mulla party do in the majlis.. just to promote hazrat ali (as) and aliebait and sometimes it gives a feeling the hazrat ali (as) was much better, powerful and close to god then hazrat mohammed (saw).

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  40. by Anonymous No. 2
    i agree with anonymous no.1 that, one should use brain instead of following blindly.

    one more thing i also want to mention that why we follow blindly. bcuz we don't want to utilize our time in investing what is islam, what are the laws. after all we have family and the spare time is for them, our personal commitments are of much priorities or the life is running too fast for this.

    islam was never so complication. this is the contribution of the mullas who did this so that people would go to them and they get valued.

    the reason that we don't investigate is that we are scared that what if during investigating we come to know what we practice in our daily life is forbidden or what if they way we practice is wrong. or something new which would disturb our way of living.

    isn't it better to go to some mulla ask him the specific thing which we have doubt on. and move ahead. also these mulla gives u an alternative that how the work can be more easy or how can a forbidden practice comes with in islamic boundry bolay to "Special Package". and when some one says its not right we can say i asked a mulla, he gave the permision, now its his responsibility and i have a clean chit to move in jannat.
    COOL ISN'T IT!!!

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  41. JazakAllah for your "tazkia -e- Nafs"

    May Allah purify your intentions and give you the taufeeq of serving the community for its betterment!

    was'salam ...

    Naved Ali (raipur,CG,India)

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  42. Innama Aamal o Binniyaat; Keep your mind open when exchanging views; nice participation by all. Never be judgemental with the limit of knowledge we possess; refrain from personal offences; nothing personal. Iyaa k naabud, wa iyaa k nastain, Ehdenas siratal mustakim; Alhamod lillah hir rubill aalamin. Jaza kum Rabbakum; Iltemas-e-Dua. Imran Husain

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  43. Gunah for sale is a good lesson for all those who are in favor of mix gathering and are so called modern people. I have heard Moulana Sadiq Hasan several times discouraging mix gathering and opposing it strongly

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  45. Raza Hussain (Tanzania)August 3, 2009 at 11:22 PM

    Reply to Anonymous No. 2,
    dear brother my only advice to you is try to differentiate between mullas and ulamas.
    Also it would be very much useful for you if you spend some of your time with a good aalim and participate in discussions on different issues.
    You will get a good idea abt islam, its laws and the logic for different rulings.
    Hope this advice would be taken positively.

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  46. Raza Hussain (Tanzania)August 3, 2009 at 11:28 PM

    To the writer of this blog site:
    Dear Brother, is it possible that when people are commenting on any blog they use their names or login ids instead of just tagging it as "Anonymous".
    If I want to write something in reply, it’s very difficult to refer that specific comment as different people are using same title Anonymous.
    In short is it possible to remove the word anonymous from [Comment as] pick list.
    Thanks

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  47. Dear raza hussain,
    thanks for your advice,
    can you just mention a name of some good aalim with whom i can spend some time, the "ulma" in iraq are unreachable for me, for this type of sittings.

    and the one in pakistan i don't regard them as ulmas, they are mullas for me. as ullams spread religion unconditionally, but these mulla needs money, good location, air tickets... etc etc to preach islam its law and logics for different rullings.

    regards
    anonymous 2

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  48. apart from all this debate i simply liked the article and i must appreciate the effort of writer of this website.
    Keep going, may Allah (swt) bless u!
    Also wiladat-e-Imam-e-Zamana (a.t.f.s) mubarak to all of you.
    kind regards,
    Imran Ali

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  49. Dear Sir. I appreciate your concern about to spread the Islam & it's teachings. My respected Sir(s), Till then we(shia) are united unlike Sunni's as deobandi, bareilvi, Hanfai, shafai, wahabi, Ahleyhadis etc. I request you by folded hands please appreciate shia but please don't apreciate the racism in shias (the followers & belivers of Maula Ali). Rest you are more intelligent then me. Iltemas-e-dua. Khuda Hafiz. R.H.Zaidi, Mechanical Engineer by profession, New Delhi (09711405080), Please, Please, Please... don't take my suggestion/ request otherwise. Thanks

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  50. ahhhh ... Maulana Sadiq Hasan Sahab ke yaad dila dii, good going keep it up and we are with u

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  51. Reply to Anonymous (August 5, 2009 11:39 PM):
    Brother have a session with Maulana Ali Murtaza Zaidi, maybe his is not fiqh expert but he can provide you logical answers on different issues.
    wsalam
    Raza Hussain

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  52. ali murtaza zaidi,
    i don't respect this man. after an personal incident with him.

    we have invited him in a seminar, and due to some unforseen condition we were 15- 20 mins late to pick him. he was angry and refuse to attend it. even after several request of forgiveness he didn't cool down. because of his anger.. the community youth who gathered for him went home after listening to someone else. and since that day... i he lost his respect in my eyes..

    one more ullma turned into mulla after getting apperication, fame and money.

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  53. are you sure it was just 15-20 minutes? i asked the same question to Maulana Ali Murtaza Zaidi in a PERSONAL ONE TO ONE SESSION and his answers was somthing like

    quote
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    few years back there was no concept of punctuality in our community, if a majlis or seminar time is announced it never starts on that time, after strict actions from different ppl now atleast ppl have started to consider announced time seriously. All these strict actions are taken to create awarness regarding importance of time.
    -------
    unquote

    Is it a bad approch? U also know Khoja timings yaar, we never use to follow time seriously.

    But yes if the matter was just for 15-20 mins. than i think its unfair. Anyways, banda bura nahi hai.

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  54. i don't know of regarding the timings of other places.. but am sure all will agree that timing of mehfil is almost punctual even few years back.

    second i mentioned 15 - 20 mins late to pick him up.. not in starting the seminar. we started seminar almost at time.

    banda jaisa bhi ho.. i know one thing if you are at a position, where people follow ur ideas... you should be a good example for them.... he preaches islam and islam teaches tolerence.. and i couldn't find anything known as tolerence in him.

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  55. why won't we ppl arrange seminar to show the community what mullas and allamas are really doing.

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  56. seminar against mulla and allama?
    one more fiction.. is this blog a fiction blog?

    do you think any one will support it...
    mulla's are rulling mind of several of people.. by saying ibadat ibadat ibadat.... duniya ki choro... duniya to fani hai... akhirat sudharo.. asal zindagi to akhirat hai ...

    and you think people will go against them... not possible... we have witness it earlier too while the issue of aga khan board... the family members of these mullas are studying in aga board.. but they say it haram for our children... while i have got fatwa that my child is allow to study in aga board. how my child and these mulla's children are different from the children of the community???

    they just used us by manuplating words... just to get hold of the jamaat.. and we being ordaniry believers just walk blind folded after these leaders and / or mullas not even knowing they are just doing everything for themselves...

    an advice for you never think of saying anything against these mulla and allamas, else they will get u beaten by ordinary people like you.... as they have huge blinded fan following... its better to practice what u think is better for you rather then critcizing any one... as shops of these mullas will never be close before zahoor-e-imam a.s.

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  57. good one :P

    Quote
    "ibadat ibadat ibadat.... duniya ki choro... duniya to fani hai... akhirat sudharo.. asal zindagi to akhirat hai ..."
    Unquote

    this is what umar did, when people started thinking he implemented taravi ek aur ibadat... from that time it is done in every era when ever ordinary persons start to think logical towards islam, its rules and how islam is beneficial for duniya... these omar type mulla log comes forward and guide (misguide) them towards ibadat so they don't think much and they (mulla / leaders) can rule easily over their minds...

    being based in UK for several years i can say that almost every the teachings of quran is implemented here in the society, and this is the only reason they are ahead of muslim (the largest religion of the world).. and for us thanks to these omar type mullas we are stuck in ibadats all the time.. even not living our lives according to islam's teaching. we have all sort of forbidden things in are society. there is no laws, no rules are followed, nothing is blanced,fight for rights every where.. there are countless flaws in muslim society and we are still busy in ibadats, bolay to is ki dua, us ki dua, yeh karnay ki dua, woh karnay ki dua. aaj ke din ki dua, ab ke month ki dua...

    i am not saying ibadat is bad, or dua is wrong... my point is just that.. what is the benefit doing ibadat and not following what islam basically preaches, like haqooq-ul-lah and haqooq-ul-ibad. people pray thousand of namaz other the wajib ones... but their family members and / or relatives are not happy with them bcuz of their attitude and behaviour.
    "Do you think will it help?"

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  58. Assalam Alaikum,

    Indeed whatever said in above blog, is wrong and we have to reject all the false for the sake of ALLAH n MAVADDAT E AHLABAIT(A.S)

    EAILY RAZA ZAIDI

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  59. hehehehehe
    all false???

    i don't think so i agree with them
    abhi ramzan mein bhi kiya fuultime dars and duas.

    lage raho musalmano!!!

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  60. What is false in that? Please elobrate.

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  61. i think... he can't find anything false in it..
    just trying to light the fight on blog...
    shame on you eaily raza zaidi.

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  62. i was very disappointed by the comments of our fellow community members but the fact is that whatever is written in above blog is very much true atleast for Karachi wedding festivals. People who are not in agreement with above blog should understand that although teachings of islam is not for making a person conservative but on the other end it does not allow you to do whatever you want in the name of liberty.

    One other point which I noticed is when a person is expressing his ideas or thoughts no one has right to insult him no matter you agree with him or not, phrases like “shame on you” etc. is not a good way of opposing.

    Thirdly it is very disappointing that in our community there are so many people who are against Mujtahideen and Marje Taqleed. They have spend their lives in this path and to gain knowledge of our religion and people who have no knowledge of the basic are criticizing them is not justified by any means.

    Fourthly insulting mualans and alims is also not a good sign, there maybe few people who are misusing the title but still we should not say it in general. If there is any solid proof against any of them then we should point that specific person only. By creating a general perception against the whole institute of Islamic studies will discourage new generation from adopting it.

    Lastly everyone should be aware of what is halal and what is haram in “Their” respective circumstances. Maybe mix gathering or any other act is haram in one circumstance and it is permissible in someother. Every has to answer his own deeds so do what ever is halal for you and leave the haram things.

    May Allah guide all of us the right path.

    wsalam

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  63. Wah bhai wah kia likha hai! zabardast!

    Yeh sub burger chonchlay hain mix gathering kay. kabhi kisi se poocho tu hur burger ek hi jawab deta hai Allah ne khanay kaba ka tawaf kyon mix gathering mey rakha, time bana deta kay subha ladies tawaf karay aur raat ko gents, jub mix gathering ke baat keroo bus yehe ek jawab milta hai

    abay yeh tu dekho ek Allah ne mix gathering mey tawaf rakha tu tawaf mey hijab bhi wajaib rakha, mard aurat ek doosre ko jan bojh ker jism ke kisi hissay per haath nahi laga saktay

    agar kisi ko itna hi mix gathering ka shauk hai tu full hijab mey ladies ko bulwaeen apnay function mey, kisi ko koi iteraz nahi leken khanay kaba ka bahana bana ker apnay function mey full bayhijabi aur chumma chati kerne ko kis ne halal kia hai bhai

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  64. hahahahaha m just laughing my ass off. what a bizarre is all this? What the hell is your problem dude if someone is enjoying in marriage ceremonies and similar festivals. Sister in law cannot hold the thumb of bride, men and women cannot sit collectively, my God what sort of mentality u have man!

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  65. To samar: Well you can ask Allah almighty what's the problem with all this. It is HE who made the laws of islam not the writer of this article , he's just highlighting the law.. What's so fun in sister in law holding the thumb of groom and all... What exactly iss SOOO exciting about it ? :P... IF you call yourself MUSLIM then Follow islam according to it's real spirit, do not include your absurd ideas of freedom in it. Allah does not need them, laws have been made, pathways have been laid down, follow it or don't, it's your choice.

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  66. I believe change is coming, all that used to be will no longer be and with the powers of education and social reform through various sites like this and other blogs, we can make it happen, but only if you want to. Our lives are so engrossed in material wealth and trying to keep up with the Jones' that we forget who we are and where we came from. Not including the gunnah, all the extravagance and wasteful spending just don't add up. Think about it; there are many people in the world today who don't know where their next meal will come from or if whether their children will be safe from harm of disease or malnutrition. But that's not our problem right? Rather than spend the thousands on your child's wedding day just to show the world what you are capable of, wouldn't it be prudent if you could give that money, you would have otherwise used to feed an army, to your newlywed child and his/her spouse? If you want to have a dinner, invite only your close and immediate family and friends over and then give alms to the poor so that the newlyweds can benefit a lifetime from their blessings. God forbid should the couple get divorced, why all that money you would have spent on pomp and pagentry - gone down the drain :( think about it? Common sense coupled with religious doctrine, which would you choose?

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  67. ASGHAR HUSSAIN SHAHIDI
    QOUM KO JAWAB DO K KIYA ALAM-E-BAB-UL-HAWAIJ,SAQA-E-SAKINA HAZRAT GHAZI ABUL FAZLIL ABBAS(A.S.) LAGANA KISI BHI TOAR PE BIDAT MEIN SHUMAR HOTA HAI AUR KIYA YE AIK TARAHA SE POOJA PAT KA SABAB HAI WAZAHAT SE JAWAB KA MUNTAZIR RAHOON GA

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  68. Anonymous..... you need help.
    You are not focused and it seems its because of your inability to do it except the times when you are pretending to close your eyes (of course we can never awake a person who pretends to be asleep)
    You complicate things rather than coming to point, Touching na mehram, any music which is appropriate for social gathering and entertainment, wasting food etc, all of this is forbidden and should be. Most of us do not follow these simple islamic rulings but we should not defend if we can't resist. you say in moharram food is wasted ... i do agree... but two wrongs do not make one right.
    And please, be precise, do not wander everywhere rather than coming to point. God bless you. (try to understand for once what does the song convey when your sis or daughter is singing that in front of you. You will not allow her to say such disgusting words other than when sung in a song. This is quality of music which allows a teenage daughter or sister to sing intimate words in front of siblings n parents and even get praised. God bless us all and may we understand the difference b/w halal and haram .

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  71. i think author is just jelous no one invites him to mixed weddings hahaha get a life man stop distorting islam for urself. Stop judging others... May Allah show u the right path.

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  72. Khojas are only cause fitna and fasad, and try and be too clever for themselve like Mr. Khoja Shia Ithnasheri. Firts all of all Khojas are not Shias they are Khojas.

    They are people who kept the best of Hinduism and are mixing it with the original Shia. You as Khojas have introduced and are introducing a caste systems in the Shia. Take the word Shia out and stick with Khoja Ithnatheri Jamaats.

    You are hindus in disguise and liars.

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    1. How disgusting of you to say that about your Shia brothers!

      FYI, Hindus also gave their heads for Imam Hussain (AS) in Karbala! Their descendants are known as Hussaini Hindus, and they do NOT worship idols. Do some research, and learn to say nothing if you can't say something productive.

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  73. I think this blog is unfounded, biased and incredibly judgmental and derisive.

    Imam Ali (AS) said, "There is no heritage greater than culture", so what exactly is wrong with maintaining one's cultural identity..? We are who we are and we do what we do, in the way that we do it. That's what makes us interesting. Differences are good. Diversity is good.

    So many points are inaccurate and obviously intended to cause friction.

    A wedding is a family event, wherein guests are invited at the hosts' discretion and by their choice. So how dare an invited guest insult a host in this lewd and abhorrent way when they have received the honour of being invited in the first place (or maybe it's because they WEREN'T invited...?)!

    When you don't understand how some people work, don't comment on it. It's equivalent to a wahabi calling a shia a kafir. We should check ourselves for flaws before passing judgment on others.

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